COULD YOU WITHSTAND CIA ENHANCED INTERROGATION TECHNIQUES? Vince Li, who now goes by Will Baker, was granted full discharge Friday afternoon. A welcome email is on its way. Subscribe now to read the latest news in your city and across Canada. If you kill someone, you should lose your freedom. Ratheras shocked, gasping witnesses describedLi robotically plunged the blade into Tims shoulders, neck and chest. I don't have any weird voices any more.". Social media lit up with calls to send Li to prison, and interim Conservative leader Rona Ambrose moved to score a few political points by tweeting "Justin Trudeau must put the rights of victims ahead of criminals. McLean, a 22-year-old Canadian man, was stabbed, beheaded, and cannibalized while riding a Greyhound Canada bus along the Trans-Canada Highway, about 30 km (19 mi) west of Portage la Prairie, Manitoba. He had no family, no friends, no support and no supervision. A man in a mask is now standing inches from your face, holding one gun against your body and pressing another into your hand. As I see it, the two main sources of outrage over Vince Lis trial is the publics lack of understanding in regards to mental illness and a general ignorance of how Canadian law operates. Over time, Lis marriage declined and they separated. Li had one brush with police for peculiar behavior. The aisle seat beside him was vacant. But Tims family had no input. In the early stages, everyone in authority agreed Vince Li wasnt operating in a normal mindset. 2023 Toronto Sun, a division of Postmedia Network Inc. All rights reserved. We reserve the right to close comments at any time. On March 5, 2009, a Manitoba court found Vince Li not criminally responsible for the horrific death of Tim McLean on a Greyhound bus seven months earlier. Tim smiled. (ONE OF THOSE QUESTIONS MAKING YOU WANT TO PUNCH SOMEONE IN THE FACE). The 2008 murder of 22-year-old Tim McLean, attacked as he slept in his seat on a bus about an hour outside of his home town of Winnipeg, was one of the most ultra-violent killings imaginable. Pierre Bruno ha vinto il Guinness Sei Nazioni meta del turno per il terzo turno del Torneo 2023 per la sua meta d'intercetto contro l'Irlanda a Roma. You may use a different browser or device to view this in full screen. On the other hand, convicting someone for an act that they had no conscious knowledge or control over would be barbaric, and in Canada, we dont punish people for doing something they have no control over. Public protection is low on their scale. Li also told Summerville he would like to be forgiven. Vince Li, seen here outside the Portage la Prairie provincial building last fall, goes on trial for the beheading death of Tim McLean. Around 8:30 pm, Greyhound 1170 was an hour west of Winnipeg on the . Li is a ticking time bomb. Vince was granted supervised walks within his mental facility as voted by the provincial review board on the 3rd of June, 2010. According to Summerville's transcript, Li recognizes that people fear him. Now that Vince Li understands what hes capable of when he goes off his medication, why on earth would he want to do that? On March 5, 2009seven months after Li took Tims lifeVince Li was found not criminally responsible due to a mental illness. "I understand people are scared because of my behavior on the Greyhound bus. When Vince Li committed the act that he did he had been suffering from undiagnosed schizophrenia, and was in the throes of a psychosis-induced episode. 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Carol DeDelley, the victim's mother, called the board's decision unacceptable and vowed to continue her efforts to fight the law dealing with people found not criminally responsible. money laundering investigation ends without charges, RCMP believe Slave Lake toddler Jeffrey Dupres, missing for 43 years, is still alive, NASA didnt know: Ottawa elementary school students make breakthrough discovery, NDP, Conservatives push for inquiry into foreign election interference allegations, Edmonton mayor hoping for more than budget promises, Indigo wont pay ransom to hackers, says stolen employee data may appear on dark web this week, Nigeria federal election: Opposition vows to challenge results. I believe he needs to be in an institution that addresses those needs. Tim let a blood-curdling scream. God controls all things and God made me do it.. NP. Get browser notifications for breaking news, live events, and exclusive reporting. Now ask yourself if this individual would really ever consider going off his medication? The innocent and unsuspecting victim was Tim McLean, 22, a carnival worker heading home for a break. They even helped Li change his name to Will Baker. Get the Uniters top stories in your inbox every week. WHO REALLY KIDNAPPED AND KILLED CHARLES LINDBERGHS CHILD? HOW DO YOU GET INTO CSI, THE CRIME LAB, OR THE MORGUE? Bit by bit, Vince Li was put back on the street. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Trevor Hagan ORG XMIT: WPGT101, Will Baker, formerly known as Vince Li, leaves the Law Courts building in Winnipeg, after his annual criminal code review board hearing, on Monday, February 6, 2017. Furthermore, its important to remember that Li has been under observation by psychiatrists since 2008, and no psychiatrist would likely ever go before a government board and recommend Lis freedom unless that psychiatrist is willing to bet their professional reputation, and the publics safety, on that individuals future. Li has an incurable disease that makes him do terrible things, Carol says. There is a reason why offenders deemed not criminally responsible are sent for treatment, not imprisonment, and why they are eventually released: if we accept that an illness compelled someone to commit a crime the man in the mask, pressing a gun into his ribs it is unjust to keep that person confined when that illness is under control. Two years later, he began unsupervised leave from the hospital but only for short periods. The Greyhound made a rest stop about a half hour earlier. But Li didnt go into a frenzy. Thats a noble goal for psychiatry but a dangerous gamble for society. This advertisement has not loaded yet, but your article continues below. The Wikipedia page says that Greyhound was named in a $150K lawsuit by the family. I actually knew his sister when living in Banff. Li continued to dissect Tims body and present parts for four hours. On 5 March 2009, his killer, the 40-year-old Vincent Weiguang Li ( Chinese: ; pinyin: L Wigung ), [1] was found not criminally responsible for murder and remanded to a high-security mental health facility in Selkirk, Manitoba, where he was detained until his release on 8 May 2015. In 1999, however, the Supreme of Canada ruled that people found not criminally responsible for their crimes must be given an absolute discharge without restrictions or conditions if they no longer pose a significant threat to the public. Right in full view of the audience, Li digested Tims eyes and part of his heart. But could it be prevented? WAS AMANDA KNOX REALLY INNOCENT OF KILLING MEREDITH KERCHER? They put far too much weight in academic opinions and not enough on what actually occurred. On February 16, 2011, two of the passengers present during the attack filed a lawsuit against Vince Li, Greyhound, the RCMP, and the Government of Canada for being exposed to the horrific beheading. Vince Li, the man who was found not criminally responsible for beheading a man on a Greyhound bus in 2008, has been granted an absolute discharge. The Criminal Code Review Board in Manitoba said Monday it needs a few days to decide if Li gets the absolute discharge he is seeking. DeDelley wants Li kept in a mental hospital permanently, but expects that he will gain more freedom every year until he is eventually released. August 5, 2008. But you simply cant kill a deranged man in this situation. 7 god damn years for beheading and eating a man. 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Please read the sidebar below for our rules. It's sad that people forget that the person who did this have family that are innocent of the situation. Li was born on April 30, 1968 in Dandong, China . He earned a degree in computer science then immigrated to Canada in 2001. Mounties look into the bus in which Vince Li was holed up along with the decapitated body of Tim McLean. EpiPens dont work in space? It causes one to lose contact with reality, and will often cause one to experience hallucinations and delusions that the individual will believe with absolute certainty are real and true. There, he spent the night on a bench outside a grocery store. They put him on medication and under various therapies. I've said it before and I'll say it again; fuck PETA. God chose me as the killer and God chose Tim as the victim. Without warning, Vince Li made a break for freedom. July 30, 2018 marks 10 years since the infamous Greyhound bus attack in Manitoba, where one passenger was killed. I was an evil son of an evil god. He blocked the door but police were miles away. DID VINCENT VAN GOGH REALLY COMMIT SUICIDE? Vince Li carried on. Unlimited online access to articles from across Canada with one account and fewer ads, Get exclusive access to the National Post ePaper, an electronic replica of the print edition that you can share, download and comment on, Enjoy insights and behind-the-scenes analysis from our award-winning journalists, Support local journalists and the next generation of journalists, Daily puzzles including the New York Times Crossword, Access articles from across Canada with one account, Share your thoughts and join the conversation in the comments, Get email updates from your favourite authors. This gruesome murder happened on a bus loaded with 38 passengers. Copyright 2023 CBS Interactive Inc. All rights reserved. Tim was clearly dead but Li wasnt even close to finished. The killing of Tim McLean occurred on the evening of July 30, 2008. Press J to jump to the feed. It is because of Lis ardent commitment to treating his illness that he has recently been granted an absolute discharge by the Manitoba Criminal Review Board, as of Feb. 10. But when I realized just how deeply my brother was suffering from schizophrenia, I was forced to confront and learn about the illness. He knows that the medication works to keep the voices away.". He was found not criminally responsible. TYRANNY IN CANADA: CALLING OUT JUSTIN TRUDEAU, COLOSSAL FAILURE: ALCOHOL PROHIBITION & THE WAR ON DRUGS, WHY HARDBOILED DETECTIVE FICTION REMAINS SO POPULAR, USING OCCAMS RAZOR WITHOUT CUTTING YOUR OWN THROAT, COLIN PITCHFORK MURDERS THE BIRTH OF DNA FORENSIC EVIDENCE, NEW CRIME BOOK *AT THE CABIN* by GARRY RODGERS, HOW TO BE A SUCCESSFUL DIGITAL AGE WRITER, KIM WALL THE SUBMARINE SNUFF FILM VICTIM, THE BIG REASON WHY O.J. Men puked. Its important to understand the difference between Vince Li suffering from psychosis and Vince Li. And its just as important to understand the difference between Vince Li before July 30, 2008, who didnt understand his illness, and Vince Li now, who has all the reason in the world to understand, and treat, his illness. Many of us like to think of ourselves as progressive thinkers on mental health, proudly tweeting #BellLetsTalk to try to erase the stigma around mental illness. Then theres respect and support of victims. Will Baker, formerly known as Vince Weiguang Li, killed 22-year-old Tim McLean after hearing what he thought was "the voice of God". The prosecutor. On Greyhound 1170, Vincent Li, a diagnosed schizophrenic, sat beside young 22 year old McLean and then, obeying voices inside his head, repeatedly stabbed and decapitated him. He is seems to be still in shock after what he has witnessed. "He was on the lookout for aliens as such, and the voice of God told him that Tim McLean was an alien and he needed to destroy him lest Tim destroy other people," Summerville said. 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