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"JW (S) Ltd." = John Wilson Ltd., Sheffield, "TRM.1", "TRM.2", and "TRM 3" = Tinsley Rolling Mills Co. Ltd. of Sheffield. US$40 (4 bids) 2 bids. They are tight barrels. This example was made in the USA by the Savage Stevens Co. of Chicopee Falls, Massachusetts. It retains the 10 round box detachable magazine, however the largest change to the rifle was the addition of a rear aperture sight. This revised specimen was the best of its type and was still in use by NATO forces. Is, until the government created the dispersal codes in 1943. II bayonets during 1941 and 1942. The little safety spring has a Long Branch stamp,the front sight protector was made by the Singer Sewing Machine Co.,the magazine follower was made by Savage. 4Mk. The markings in the other photos are not mentioned, except the '2' on the bolt head, which is its size (there being several sizes available to get the head space right). SMLEs will have serial numbers stamped on the bolt, receiver, barrel, nose cap and the underside of the rear sight. The 2ndNZEF fought in the North African and European Theatres as part of the British 8th Army. The entrenching tool was made by William Hunt & Sons, The Brades Ltd., Brades Steel Works, Oldbury, near Birmingham. Manufacturers in North America did not use Dispersal Codes. II bayonets from 19421944. It was a further simplification and cut down on both material costs and machine time in its construction, much as the No. Henry Repeating Arms recently presented a $25,000 check a nonprofit organization that provides support and programs for the families and co-workers of firefighters killed in the line of duty. Nearly 5 million spike bayonets were reported produced. 0000002767 00000 n This is stamped on the band: 1943 A L 1 1385 Also on the rear barrel band it is stamped VNS with a little crown underneath of it and there is an I stamped on the front sight guard. (21mm.) long by 1.75in. The No. Howard & Bullough marked their bayonets three different ways: Lewisham Engineering, at 9 & 11 Malyons Road, Ladywell, London, was the smallest maker of the No. No.4 MK1 Buttplate With Trap LE4045 $9.00 1 review (s) Lee Enfield # 1 MK 3 Canvas Rifle Cover (Case) With Sling Carry Strap, WWII Pattern LE3092 Made from heavy canvas material, this gun case was used for the Enfield #1 MKIII and #1 MKIV rifles. You are using an out of date browser. With the bayonet fixed, the helve was used to probe for land mines. The significance of this mark is not known. 4 Mark I* was the primary rifle of the British and Canadian armed forces during WWII, and it served well into the 1950s. 4 Mk I Long Branch aperture sights In 1926, the British Army changed its nomenclature; the SMLE became known as the Rifle No. For those out there that want to get deeper into the serial number issues I would suggest purchasing either Skip Strattons or Ian Skennertons books. The latter will have an engraving on the flat side of the receiver which will read something like (taking one of my rifles as an example), F(FTR)49. This means Royal Ordance Factory Fazakerly, Factory Through Repair, 1949. Although touted as having many advantages over the Pattern 1907, the No. Other makers welded the spike to the socket. 4 spike bayonet. All of the numbers on the metal (except the magazine) are matching. examples with "E", "F" and "S" marks in a bright blued finish (often with a triangle that is a little too tight for the leather 1907 sling). The Lee Enfield by Ian Skennerton (2007) - ISBN: 9780949749826 . No idea what it means on a No.4. Bayonet The Lee Enfield No 4 Rifle Mk 1 was produced by a variety of different manufacturers in England. During the Second World War, the British government curtailed the use of commercial trademarks to make it more difficult for the Germans to locate (and bomb) factories producing war materiel. Lee Enfield #4 MK1 - MARSTAR CANADA. (SMLE rifles which became the No1 MkIII and No1 MkIII* in 1926) An Enfield Rifle No4 Mk1*, a No5 Mk1 and the aussie experimental No6 Mk1/1. Israeli domestic made scope brackets are unique. . . The rifle's two-piece stock and 10-round magazine are two of its most distinctive features. The world famous Lee Enfield in one of it's most popular incarnations, the Lee Enfield No.4 Rifle is one of our best sellers. This mark sometimes appears alone and sometimes with another forging contractors mark, which suggests that Tinsley supplied steel to several of the socket forging contractors. 0000002083 00000 n It was published in 2007, available now from Aust., N.Z., US and UK distributors. 4 Mk. 4Mk. II*, with approximately 161,026 reported produced, during 19421943. One influence in the selection of Singer was that Scotland was felt to be safer from German bombers than England. 0000001961 00000 n GI#: 102214907. It has a tapered steel body with a ball finial. 0000012831 00000 n Based on a 1944 Maltby rifle. A quantity of No. It may not display this or other websites correctly. The No. These codes may be found on various wartime small arms manufactured in Nazi-occupied Europe during WW2. Decades of experience with handguns and holsters have given the author some excellent insights into the most popular designs. Many Baird examples have a crowned IG mark on the socket. 4 Mk. The Lee-Enfield rifle was first adopted by the British as a military arm in 1895 and . The M47C is typical, as is the date and TR mark. When the number sequence reached 9999 the next letter assigned to the factory would be substituted in place of the former. Per the contract and description Hollands were to remove the L / "flip" battle sight when present from the sending factory and replace it with one of their provided milled micrometer sights (either Singer Machine or Savage made and marked) - this would leave the rifle needing a new "zero" - a pass through an "Enfield Rest" test. The bayonet exhibits better finishing than most British No. Thank you for the welcome. 1 Rifle in 1926that had served with . Hollands being the hand made shotgun and rifle masters took the specified "high street" sourced screws and blued the heads. An average example runs about $375 in very good condition at the time of this writing. In 1943, Prince-Smith was assigned the dispersal code N56. 1 in 1939. I have a couple of No.4 Mk.I's, and they do not have anything like the makings shown. I've seen guys actually twist the action because they are so tight. The Original Condition rifles are in good turn in condition. Very good 5 groove barrel. II was, by far, the most numerous variant, with over 3.3million units produced. The front curved shape of the cheek piece was prone to splitting so finger inserts and repairs are often seen hear to keep the rifle working. 4 Mk. The left side receiver wall has the "angled transition" (just below the ejector screw) which is a Savage (rather than British-made) feature, so its one or the other of the New World manufacturers, but I don't know if Long Brach also did the same thing? Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. Hammer Women Of Distinction Award, Women's Wildlife Management / Conservation Scholarship, National Youth Shooting Sports Cooperative Program, Exploded View: Short, Magazine Lee-Enfield, Mk III, 'A Grisly Business:' Australias Lee-Enfield Sniper Rifle, Reviving An Enfield: RTIs Imported No. The C would make it a Savage, a L would make it a Long Branch. Most likely Jordanian from the Arab Legion, but could also have been used by Iraq. Baird marked their bayonets two different ways: Some No. As interest in replacing the No. startxref II was otherwise identical to the Mk. This illustrates just how long after their obsolescence, that bureaucratic inertia can demand retention of items in military stores. The No. This example came in a modified Turkish belt frog. by gruff27 22 Mar 2012, 20:09, Post During refurbishment the bulk of German markings were scrubbed (although some waffenampts are still present and evidence of markings being removed is clear), further the original . Manufacturers will be noted either on the left side of the receiver or on the left side buttsocket. 0000004885 00000 n The No. II* socket forgings. The Enfield No4 MK1 was one of the most prominent battle rifles ever produced. Savage marked their bayonets with the letter "S". After hostilities the No4T parts and CES lists were re-standardized with the 1907 USA Leather Sling as a standard (despite the progress and learning). These included a number of folding bayonets intended to remain fixed to the rifle. Inspection marks on the receiver ring. by Steve Hoog 23 Mar 2012, 02:44, Post According to Graham Priest, on a rough scale of observations, he indicated that you see 100P.S.& S.Ltd for every circle mark; 150P.S.K for every circle mark, and 500N56 or unmarked for every circle mark. You must be rich. 0000002978 00000 n The only maker was the Singer Manufacturing Co. (the famous sewing machine people), at their Clydebank, Scotland plant. by Steve Hoog 23 Mar 2012, 15:17, Post Free shipping on many items | Browse your favorite brands | affordable prices. trailer Singer and other producers (Savage has been observed). This example was reworked post-War following the change from Roman to Arabic numbering. Hollands would mark all rifles that they converted, not spare parts. The schools were also populated by inter-bellum target shooters who had already experienced the Parker Hale and other specialist center / front trigger guard screw replacement sling swivels and various format canvas / webbing slings. There must have been a lot of them to survive 2 world wars and all the action and attrition they were exposed to. LEE ENFIELD NO. Five distinctly different markings were used (all are pictured at left): Lucas marked the bayonets with M158 on the top of the socket. Socket: "No 4 Mk II" over "S" and "B 75" over "1455". SMLE rifle manufacturers were given no serial ranges to begin or end production with, so it is possible that two rifles may exist with the same serial number produced at different factories. II made at LongBranch in Canada. These come for the Lee-Enfield No.4 MK1. The rifle functions beautifully, I'm just trying to track things down as much as I can. I markings were reminiscent of how Pattern 1907 bayonets were marked, with the royal cypher, type, and maker. Westland of Croyden - an alternative to their "C.E.W. 4Mk. identification lists detailing by illustration, descriptive part name and part number, all parts of the Rifle, .303 Calibre, Lee Enfield, No 4, Mk 1 * and its associated equipment. II* its characteristic stepped join between blade and socket. 1944 Enfield No.4 Mk1*(T) Long Branch TP Sniper Rifle Serial # 74L0318 (Converted by Long Branch Arsenal, Ontario, Canada) c/w matching Telescopic, Sighting C No.32, Mk.I(TP) (Trade Pattern) Scope Serial # 4392S (Mfg by Lyman-Alaskan) . Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. 1 rifle), but changes were made to the. not 8.8 Barrel length is 25 1/4 inches, not 25 2 inches I* (T) were the standard WWII sniper rifles for the British and for the Commonwealth, except for Australia. Advertisements. The new rifle was well regarded by the troops receiving them. On the opposite side of the RFI 1963 stamp,is there a serial number? To ensure its the real deal and war period production, what should one look for? Rear Sights are flip-up adjustable aperature micrometer sights, not vertical leaf. The M47C is typical, as is the date and TR mark. 769 23 Singer continued using a similar markings, as used on the Mk. Springfield Model 1795 Type IV Musket with State of New York Markings, US$1,600. 4Mk. Enfield MK1 S.M.L.E.303 British 24' barrel 1905 production This. %PDF-1.4 % 1 Enfield rifle was adopted by the United Kingdom in 1941. 4Mk. Gun Parts, Enfield Model 1917 or Others, Iron . Most of these seem to have been released / imported in the 1980s. 4 Mk. Sujet: Re: Lee Enfield No4 Mk1 vs Armes modernes en .308 Aujourd'hui 20:28: Pour en possder une, j'ai une tikka T3x tac en 308 , et 600m ft un temps les rsultats taient prometteurs . So it figures that the right S51 is almost always from Hollands and there are less of them due to service attrition than there are real No4Ts that can evidence them. Only 75,000 of this type were made. Read my article on Bayonets for the Short, Magazine, Lee-Enfield Rifles. Thanks to inter-war development, an improved and simplified design was waiting in the wings, and the No. You can build more Battery Ammo and .303 at the Chem bench. 5 mm. J'aime Je n'aime pas : Lee Enfield No4 Mk1 vs Armes modernes en .308 : Page 1 sur 1: Sujets similaires. Both bayonet and scabbard are serial numbered. The number actually produced is believed to be 250,000. III (substitute) scabbard with parallel sides and oval frog stud. These are now hard to find in any condition, but this example is near pristine. This indicates the length of the bolt head with the larger numbers being the longer bolt heads. The Indians did us no favors scrubbing & remarking as they did. The longer bolt heads are worth significantly more than the shorter ones and are considerably harder to find. With the exception of Russia, socket bayonets had long gone out of fashion in modern armies. I (T) and No. Firing mechanism is Enfield pull cocker type, with left side serrated safety lever. Another dimension is whether to use (or if it is fitted) to include the front trigger guard triangular sling swivel (included in the factory build from Nov 1944 onwards and added by armourers as found after). This is one of the most frequently (attempted) reproduced / forged marks of all the No4T marks. Method III and N74 - sometimes both in the same instance (pus inspection / receiving marks). Mid Band - This fabricated example is marked for S126 (C.E. The mark and type of rifle will be stamped onto the left side receiver wall. 2 mm. Smith & Wesson's new M&P FPC is a compact, folding pistol-caliber carbine chambered in 9 mm Luger and designed to accept the company's M&P handgun magazines. Canadian Arsenals marked their bayonets with an "A" nested inside a "C". The leather is quite thin, suggesting that this might have been done for civilian (e.g., police) use, rather than military use. Here's the inside story of what they found and how they're rebuilding an industry giant. ROF (F)- Royal Ordinance Factory, Fazakerley, UK, FY- Royal Ordinance Factory,Fazakerley, UK, (F)-Royal Ordinance Factory,Fazakerley, UK, UF-Royal Ordinance Factory,Fazakerley, UK, Long Branch- Small Arms Ltd., Long Branch, Ontario, Canada, P.O.F.- Pakistan Ordnance Factory, Wah, Pakistan. Savage was the only other maker to follow Singer's pattern of marking the spring plunger. Nice rifle regardless That was my original though, I know I wont get a 100g% sure answer I'm just looking for most likely. Free shipping for many products! These rifles can often be identified by the stacking hook welded to the upper band. It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice! Officially adopted in July1940 as the: Tab, Securing, Bayonet No. Specs: Savage Enfield No.4 MK1* Barrel Length: 25" Overall Length: 44.5" Caliber: .303 British Weight: 9lbs Capacity: 10 rounds Price: $600 to $1200 Ratings (out of five stars): Reliability: * * * * * It wasn't made by the French. Places that will have the serial information is on the bolt, receiver and normally the barrel. 4Mk. So a genuine Savage rear sight converted to T format by H&H is possible on an early 1941 converted and war time used rifle and on a late 1945 scopeless rifles and in between when added to BSA rifles that had the L flip sight from the factory - Savage provided a lot of micrometer sights for this purpose. II* bayonets were produced, over a million of which were produced by Prince-Smith. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for British Lee Enfield No. This No. My thought is its a Savage No4 Mk1* lend lease made in 1942, It has the ( S ) markings and machine marks, The receiver, barrel . There were basic diagrams and instructions in the various Sniping training pamphlets, however I wanted to add a little more description and variation (with photos. The rear sights were also switched out for Singer Machine marked and made parts (interestingly not marked S67 yet even this late in production and supply). There is no US PROPERTY stamped into the top angle of the receiver as well. Being a Mk1* we knew that though. He was born in 1921 and later served as a navy corpsman in Japan and Korea. In September 1945, nomenclature was changed to replace Roman numerals with Arabic numerals. In the case of Savage Stevens the serial numbers began with a 0C1 and for Long Branch 0L1, these serials progressed in sequence directly relating the serial number to the number of rifles produced. N30 (pictured at left) This Mossberg 26B bolt-action rifle in .22 caliber belonged to my dad, Robert Elmo Babington. (2) Canadian No. Although troops often resorted to more expedient means of modifying frogs to retain No. I will continue to add additional variants as I acquire additional pieces. This PSK No. II bayonet re-packaged in 1963 cardboard carton. (pictured at left) 4Mk. The period of manufacture is believed to be late-1940s or early-1950s. The very early contracts at Holland and Holland for T conversion included selected rifles from Savage, Longbranch, Maltby and BSA (a single Fazakerley example has been documented @ 2020) - this was too much variation for the conversion process to be efficient and by early 1942 only BSA rifles were to be converted. The No. Like the SMLE an all matching No4 or No5 will have all the serial numbers matching wherever they are found on a particular rifle. The stock was made by . The most common of these were: XP was used for the Shortened and Lightened Australian Lithgow (No6 Jungle Carbine) rifles, A was used for No1 MkVI trail rifles, BS was used on the British No7 small bore rifles, and T1 for the No5 small bore rifles. The No. 3. 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The rifle pictured here is a No. Here we have a scopeless and virtually unfired 1944 No4T on the left and two heavily reworked "sportster" T's (the middle professionally done by Sante Fe) and an American surplus "bubba" on the right. 4 Mk. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force). 0000013109 00000 n xref When these rifles were refurbished in the factory, they were given a second black oxidizing or they were painted with a matte or semigloss black paint in the spots where the original finish had worn off. Maryland Shooters is the most active and largest Maryland gun community online. "S" inside a square. I, Scabbard (Throat): broad arrow proofmark, Tool: "BRADES" over "1944" over broad arrow proofmark. British No4 rifles were set up with a 5 digit serial number system with 1XXXX being allotted to Maltby, 2XXXX Fazakerley, 3XXXX BSA Shirley. Serial Numbers, Model, Mark and Manufacture Identification, Serial Number and Manufacturer Information Locations. The Crown Corporation Small Arms Ltd., Long Branch, Ontario, Canada, made approximately 910,000 No. BO 12151 (the five digit no. 1 Mk III or III*, with the original MLE and LEC becoming obsolete along with the earlier SMLE models. The first photo below is of a Hollands installed cheek piece on a 1944 scopeless rifle - its position, form and fit is per the as-new standard. I've been privileged to shoot Lee-Enfield rifles before and have always found them to be worthy of their reputation as well built, accurate rifles. The No. I'll shoot some pictures of mine this weekend if you want. 4 rifle into at least the 1960s. I bayonet was a throwback. I was recently asked to demo how to attach the web sling and its cousin the 1907 leather sling to an No4T for use in the field or range. Where did the replacement Micrometer sights come from? If you liked this information and want to learn more, this volume is an excellent resource. What is the letter to the right of the 'X' (proof mark) above the M.1944? The tooling is rough, the bayonet is little more than a . H&B Our Price: 195.00: Gunner Points: 19: Stock Info: Out Of Stock: CR322 LE4 Sling swivel. From 1943 onwards, Singer bayonets bore their dispersal code, N67. According to Jordanian collector/ researcher Ahmad Hatamleh, Jordan and Iraq were the two countries in the Levant where the British helped establish their national armies. The serial would be correct for early 1944 if it started with a "3" - was the "1" added somewhere else? "1951" and broad arrow proofmark, Cover (Inside): "P.S.S. The volume of serial number inquiries has prompted me to fashion this page together and try and explain how best to identify a particular rifles manufacturer. 4 Mk. The Canadian Arsenals trademark was adopted in 1947 and replaced the Long Branch trademark used during the Second World War. Information on the scope as well would be appreicated. Feedback from the initial service performance at the front (often from prior experienced target shooters) indicated that longer slings with a central mount at the front of the magazine would be preferred. Similarly Savage rifles that are genuine and completed to a fully scoped "T" are rare and early. It is essentially an updated N0. The finish varies considerably between manufacturers, with Baird bayonets approaching the excellent finish of the No. Once the initial range of numbers was maxed out a letter prefix was added and the numbering began again. TRIGGER Lee Enfield British Enfield No.4 Mk. 4 Mk 1* (T) rifle in .303 British made by Savage in 1942. by gruff27 23 Mar 2012, 11:37, Post Unlike other makers of No. No. 4 Mk. Be sure to check out our gun classifieds where you can buy, sell or trade your gear. Seen in the picture above are the places where the serial number and manufacturer can be found. Area Code: 443 . 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