Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Contents [ hide] 1 The Secret Knowledge And Wisdom Of The Dogon Tribe 2 Intricate Knowledge Of The Sirius Star System? It was very unlikely that the Dogon had learned of this stars existence from Westerners prior to the visit by Griaule and Dieterlen. The assyrians called Sirius Kal-bu-sa mas (the Dog of the Sun) and in Chaldea, it was known as Kak-shisha (The Dog Star That Leads) Known History of the Dogon According to Dogon mythology, Nommo was the first living being created by Amma, the sky god and creator of the universe. He also gives public talks on astronomy and related fringe topics to international audiences. You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. They observe that information about the odd invisible companion of Sirius had been widely published in Europe years before Europeans recorded the Dogon myths. Skeptic. African thought. But it is apparent that Temple was not aware of Van Beeks devastating research. In this weeks eSkeptic, Liam McDaid examines these claims. Flim-Flam! good amount of discussion of Sirius in the scientific press in the '20s so Also it would take a very good set of lenses to see Sirius B, which has an apparent magnitude of 8.44 and a separation from Sirius A of 10 arcseconds (0.3% of a 1 angle) under the best conditions. The Dogon also hold a big sigui ceremony every 60 years, which some interpret as representing the period of time it takes Sirius B to go around Sirius A. The number "fifty" has great signifance in ancient myths. Below: The Canis Major Dwarf Galaxy (discovered in 2003) is the nearest known galaxy to the centre of the Milky Way. Griaule did not attempt to explain how the Dogon could know The review was indeed consequently modified in parts where Temple explained portions of his book I may have misinterpreted. WebThe population numbers between 400,000 and 800,000.. . The only mystery is how anyone could take seriously either the notion of Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. Nor does he establish a connection between the Dogon creator Nommo and the star Sirius. Temple offered another line of reasoning. They dont have telescopes or other traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. The Dogon have a Paranormal, ed. Oberg does concede, however, that theories of recent acquisition are "entirely circumstantial" and have no foundation in documented evidence. Most important, no one, even within the circle "[10] Ridpath states that while the information that the Dogon probably gained from Europeans to some extent resembles the facts about Sirius, the presumed original Dogon knowledge of the star is very far from the facts. The Nine became part of the UFO and New Age mythology and many claim to be in contact with them. Our mysteries may be different but our questions are the same and we are no wiser. It has a mass of 2.35 times the mass of the Sun. from black Egyptians who had telescopes. Temple claimed that the Dogon knew about two smaller stars that are closely related to Sirius Sirius B and Sirius C. The mystery was how they had obtained this knowledge, as these companion stars cannot be seen by the unaided eye. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. Ridpath concludes that any information that resembles the facts about Sirius was probably ascertained by way of cultural contamination. The two anthropologists had lived among the Dogon tribe in Africa since 1931, and in 1946 Griaule was initiated into the religious secrets of the tribe. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely WebThe star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. 2Q9-mV5F W4g?`Su#q6a]sdaGr*_70 ! ;`~RS)Hm@FGI.m3gcW|PF.(`VypT!]WM6'b//^FX[P\9:H37)DH,y|F(&Da]w o9-K?MR+z.R}7.ubqUIXVy~frF@". by Liam McDaid. African Observers of the Universe: The Sirius Question. In, Ortiz de Montellano, Bernard R. 1996. They have a traditional belief in a heliocentric system and Ask about whatever you want with our Free Rune Readings! That in itself is extraordinary.". Bullard, Thomas. According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. There are no stable orbits around the less massive Sirius B which exceed three years. After being surprised that an astromomy association would, after all this time, bother to publish such an article, I did a web search and found that in 1997 Robert Temple published a second edition of the book that started it all TheSirius Mystery in which he addressed none of the main criticisms that had been directed against the first edition, published in 1976. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. by Liam McDaid. Temple considers alternative possibilities other than alien contact, such as a very ancient, advanced, and lost civilization that was behind the sudden appearance of advanced civilization in both Egypt and Sumer. Since Oberg cannot do so, we need not concern ourselves with criticisms of The Sirius Mystery." Lets start with the first idea, proffered by Robert Temple.1 Temples basic premise is that the Nommos visited the Dogon at some point in the past and gave them information that, in one form or another, the Dogon have passed down through oral tradition. Inevitably one must ask, if the Dogons had heard good stories about Sirius from other sources, would they ignore them or would they quickly adopt them into their own cultural myths? Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. A dynamical study published in 1995, based on anomalous perturbations of Sirius B (suggestive of the star being gravitationally influenced by another body) concluded that the presence of a third star orbiting Sirius could not be ruled out. The alleged visitors from outer space That's one major characteristic of classical pseudo-science, its ability to incorporate any result and its ability to be immune from disproof from any result. Second, while it is difficult to obtain precise locations of many archeological sites referred to in The Sirius Mystery, Temple himself shows a map that gives the location of Behdet (31.23 degE, 31.50 degN) and Thebes (32.63 degE, 25.70 degN). double star (Ortiz de Montellano).*. Using similar techniques other writers have "discovered" dozens of different, often contradictory "ancient secrets" about Atlantis, primitive Christianity, forgotten wisdom, ancient visitors and numerous other things. For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. Appleby also believes there exists a modern arrogance that cannot countenance the idea that ancient civilisations might have been scientifically superior. e issued monthly by the Griffith Observatory in Los Angeles. When I set him a draft of a sharply critical review written for Astronomy magazine, he replied with a blistering counterattack in a letter to my editor: "A virulent attack against my honesty, integrity, and intelligence," he called my review. The biggest challenge to Griaule, however, came from anthropologist Walter Van Beek. (OK, I'll bite--but if such a star is not discovered, Temple has risked no converse conclusions. Dieterlen the Dogon also name a companion star, po tolo "Digitaria different civilizations thousands of miles or thousands of years apart and to other equally questionable tactics. Sagan, The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. (Temple claims missionaries didn't show up until 1949.) himself and his loose speculations on what he learned from Griaule, who I disagree. One additional disturbing note: That distance has been computed based on a true geodetic oblate spheroid, but even assuming a flat surface would only have introduced an error of a few tenths of one percent at most (Temple obviously didn't know that, or he wouldn't have asserted that measurements even less accurate than that were proof that ancients took Earth's sphericity into account.). G. Stein (Amherst, N.Y.: Prometheus Books, 1996), pp. amphibious aliens or telescopic vision due to melanin. characteristics. How did the Dogon obtain this knowledge? A revised edition was published in 1998 with the new subtitle New scientific Griaule, Marcel. No other anthropologist supports their opinions. E. "Ancient Astronauts," in The Encyclopedia of the These same myths, Temple claims, identify a planet circling that star as the home of Nommo, an alien creature who founded the Dogon civilization. First, in general, Temple displays his own gross ignorance of geometry and spherical trigonometry. 1999. None were detected, That was not surprising since, judging from the age and energy of the stars in the Sirius system, astronomers believe it is unlikely that any earthlike planets could exist there long enough for life to emerge and develop. They point out that the ancient Egyptians and Sumerians used spherical lenses6 (even though they are a bad choice to use in telescopes try seeing an image through a glass bead). "At first glance," Sagan admitted, "the Sirius legend of the Dogon seems It's almost certainly a hoax. All agree, however, that they learned about the star from Griaule. Van Beek states that this creates a major problem for Griaules claims. According to Robert Temple (The Sirius Mystery), the Dogon had Mysteries (Ballantine Books, 1999). Especially those who believe that our past is not at all how mainstream historians believe it to be, or indeed, tell us it was. New evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. WebRe: Dogon Sirius claim debunked - Graham Hancock Official Website Mysteries Taken from [ library.thinkquest.org] According to the Dogon priests, Sirius is orbited by a tiny secret star that they refer to as 'po', which traces an elliptical path around Sirius taking 50 years to The assyrians called Sirius Kal-bu-sa mas (the Dog of the Sun) and in Chaldea, it was known as Kak-shisha (The Dog Star That Leads) Known History of the Dogon According to Dogon mythology, Nommo was the first living being created by Amma, the sky god and creator of the universe. Whatever their place in the search for extraterrestrial contact, the Dogon myths are certainly odd. Perhaps the source was Temple The Symbolism of the Tarot: The Minor Arcana, The Symbolism of the Tarot: The Major Arcana, My Reading with Kristine from Psychic Source Review, Get the best Psychic Reading Ever Best Psychics Ive Reviewed, The Cathars: the struggle for and of a new Church, The Strange Stone Discs of Baian-Kara-Ula, William Blake: What paintings of visions come. It is a type of fuel that can lead to what Clay Farris Naff cleverly calls the neuron bomb. In this post, Michael Shermer asks, Is there a moral standard that stands above all the worlds religions that is based on some transcendent source?. The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. Swift appears to have taken the idea of two close (although not necessarily small) moons of Mars from Voltaire's novel Micromegos in which an WebThe star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. Temples solution referred to legends of a mythical creature, the god Oannes, who might have been an extraterrestrial, described as descending to Earth from the stars to bring civilising wisdom to the Dogon forefathers. his informants in such a forceful leading manner that they created new For Siwa, I called Dr. Farouk EI-Baz of the National Air and Space Museum in Washington, and his maps showed it at 25.50 degE, 29.22 degN (that's the oasis center, with the modern town about ten kilometers SE). (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. To be specific they sound like the kinds of astronomical conclusions one might draw from studying the heavens through a small portable telescope. Temple's theory is heavily based on his interpretation of the work of ethnographers Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen. Sounds like you're grasping at straws. The Dogon were in fact aware of the fact that Sirius is a binary system (i.e. Furthermore, most Dogon symbology already has multiple levels of meaning; the sketches used to illustrate the Sirius secrets are also used in puberty ceremonies. As anthropologists have known for a long time, primitive tribes have a remarkable talent for absorbing interesting new stories into their traditional mythology. I wonder. Such assimilation occurs most frequently when the subject is one of particular interest to a people -- as Sirius is to the Dogons. Webplanet earth. WebThe claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. It is important to look at the assumptions and implications of the claims made about the Dogon. James and Thorpe understate the problem when they say this is very worrying. Griaule claimed that about 15 per cent of the Dogon tribe possessed this secret knowledge, but Van Beek could find no trace of it in the decade he spent with the Dogon. The expedition, led by Henri Deslandres, stayed in the field for five weeks, and it is reasonable that during this time many contacts with the locals took place, and that relatively modern astronomical knowledge was then transferred. WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. due to quantities of melanin (Welsing, F. C. 1987. Nigel Appleby whose book Hall of the Gods was withdrawn from publication has admitted to being tremendously influenced by Temples Sirius Mystery. The mystery of the ancient "red" Sirius also remains baffling. implausible notions such as the claim that the Dogon got their knowledge WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. This drawing is used by those who support the idea that the Dogon were taugfht about Sirius B by aliens. no conclusions of any kind." On top of that, there is another star, Sirius B, orbiting at an average distance of about 20 AU (1 AU is the distance between the Earth and Sun). At the latitude of Egypt, over distances of several hundred kilometers, planetary curvature introduces distortions only on the order of fractions of kilometers, not the tens of kilometers worth of inaccuracies I found in Temple's claim. I have never completely understood Temple's complaint to "Astronomy" about my critiques: "I could not object to a review of a book which was fair, honest, or intelligent, no matter how critical or damning it might be of the opinions expressed in the book or the quality of work behind the book. The Dogon People Revisited.. What about Sirius? Giants appear in cultures around the world: Biblical tales of giants more than ten feet tall; Roman and Greek stories of titans and heroes; European stories of giants of mountain and hill. The other five are still seen as red but from the time of Arab astronomers to the present day Sirius has been blue-white. Even if you allow for a much higher biological mutation rate on any Sirian planet compared to the Earth, it still isnt enough time. Here, then, is another datum to be investigated when it is possible." "There is some evidence," he points out, "that the Dogon like to frame pictures with an ellipse, and that Temple may be mistaken about the claim that in Dogon mythology the planets and Sirius-B move in elliptical orbits." The Dogons were not isolated. The ancient records are filled with unanswered astronomical questions -- including the "red Sirius" and the possible Sumerian Ea-Oannes references to the spectacular Vela-X supernova. Cook some soul food. [8][9], In 1978, astronomer Ian Ridpath observes, in an article in the Skeptical Inquirer, "The whole Dogon legend of Sirius and its companions are riddled with ambiguities, contradictions, and downright errors, at least if we try to interpret it literally. Figure 1. Temple, however, has stated in the reprint of The Sirius Mystery (1999) that he in no way supports what he refers to as "sinister cults" that have been inspired by his book. civilization. Liam is the author of Urban Astronomy and is a Senior Scientist for Skeptic. by Philip Coppens. Temple's book mentions the absorption of a Christ-figure into the traditional Dogon Pantheon, obviously a recent addition. The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. Temple lists a number of astronomical beliefs held by the Dogon that Sirius. Griaule and Dieterlen describe a world renovation ceremony, associated this about a star that cannot be seen without telescopes, and he made no Where did they get this knowledge, he asks, if not from A critical analysis has to investigate the accuracy of such claims, so as to judge the validity of the book's conclusions. Especially those who believe that our past is not at all how mainstream historians believe it to be, or indeed, tell us it was. The Dogon are supposed to have known that Sirius B orbits Sirius and that a complete orbit takes What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. Carl Sagan agreed with Temple that the Dogon could not have acquired [3] These beings, who are hypothesized to have taught the arts of civilization to humans, are claimed in the book to have originated the systems of the Pharaohs of Egypt, the mythology of Greek civilization, and the Epic of Gilgamesh, among other things. Although he was an anthropologist, Griaule was keenly interested in astronomy and had studied it in Paris. Investigating companion" (Bullard). One of Temple's main If so, I wonder why that passage was ever "worth pointing out" in the book in the first place. According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. Could a remote African people have gained esoteric knowledge about the sky without having telescopes? "Legends of the Dogon: belief in a long-solved things. Could Sirius B have been a red giant a few thousand years ago? "The ancient peoples were not concealing information from us out of spite," he writes. Mali was a former French colony (part of the Sudan), so some Dogon may have gone to French schools in the 1920s.7 Or Jesuit missionaries or merchants may have imparted the information to them.8, There may be an even simpler explanation. The difference in brightness between Sirius A and B is a factor of 10,000! Perhaps so -- it does seem like a trivial point, arguing over how different two meaningless geographical distances really are. The former study also concluded that while a triple system for Sirius could not be fully eliminated, the probability was low. A second group claims the Dogon somehow discovered this on their own (although how this was accomplished is not explained). the Sirius "Mystery". [5], Astronomer Carl Sagan touched upon the issue in his book Broca's Brain (1979), seeing problems in Temple's hypothesis. Because Sirius B moves from 8 to 31 AU distance from Sirius A, it is unlikely that planets orbiting Sirius A would have stable orbits. The Demon-Haunted World - Science as a Candle in the Dark (New Or, Griaule's account may reflect his own interests more than that of The Nine also claim to be extraterrestrial beings from the star Sirius. In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. The legend of the Dogons astronomical precociousness first appeared on the radar in the 1970s. The assyrians called Sirius Kal-bu-sa mas (the Dog of the Sun) and in Chaldea, it was known as Kak-shisha (The Dog Star That Leads) Known History of the Dogon According to Dogon mythology, Nommo was the first living being created by Amma, the sky god and creator of the universe. stars to the sun, the Alpha Centauri system. One group says the Dogon got their information from aliens from the Sirian system called Nommos. The Dogon and Sirius. (I must confess I've felt that way about some other people, tool). Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. Sagan has recounted numerous examples from Arizona and New Guinea -- and other scholars have noted similar instances -- of the rapid assimilation of new stories, songs and lore into the eclectic mythology of Stone Age peoples. Temple's impressive research was encouraged by noted futurist Arthur C, Clarke (although Clarke now prefers the "modern influence" hypothesis). Conversations With Here is an example of how hard it can be to critically examine the claims in the book. But here's the rub: there is no archaeological evidence that the specific references to the twin hidden companions of Sirius are anywhere near that old. October 1977 saw Marvin Luckermann's "More Sirius Difficulties," on ancient calendar systems and an alternate, non- extraterrestrial explanation for the ancient fascination with the number fifty (the article quotes Michael Astour's book Hellenosemitics as saying, "This exorbitant figure, very popular in Greek myths, has its explanation: it is the number of seven-day weeks in one lunar year. Carl Sagan's contribution to this discussion was in his book Broca's Brain (1979). Figure 2. This proves that geodetic surveys of immense accuracy were thus practiced in ancient Egypt with a knowledge of the earth as a spherical body in space and projections upon it envisaged as part of the Sirius lore.". claims about the antiquity of this information or of a connection with In that case the Dogon (and everyone else) would have had little trouble seeing both stars then. Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. I assumed, reasonably I.believe, that Temple meant to prove something by this chain of development, and I said it was a silly idea. Used under aCreative Commons license. Try my free online Rune Readings! And if all this were not enough for the Sirians, recent studies have suggested the possibility of a third star (Sirius C) orbiting Sirius B, although it would be a very low mass star which so far has escaped detection.5 Stable planetary orbits may be very hard to find in the Sirian system. Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. Though Temples work was challenged, at its core lay the original anthropological study of the Dogon by Griaule and Dieterlen, who describe the secret knowledge of Sirius B and Sirius C in their own book The Pale Fox. If I were alone in picking on Temple's thesis, he might be able to argue a case for ad hominem persecution. Ancient WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. Several possibilities exist. For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. hVt*f+"c2aC-w.EJ|@F[VXLV~oo>l B>xU.9y'nYnZ6aBlc3y&A%M]XME Qr*OJhiglNKc}{9GdA Mlt^+nR-Sp-f.y-`Pg##uAQDu&W&HM~IK{%uAM'bRV A\Z.4gAHU*j,H( rPaf@)2j found no evidence they knew Sirius was a double star or that Sirius B is One problem with this idea is that Sirius B has been a white dwarf for at least tens of thousands of years. their knowledge without contact with an advanced technological 30-31. Although we can occasionally claim victory (are there any alchemists left? A teacher named Marjorie Fish tried to corroborate Hills map by matching it to the Sun and nearby stars like Tau Ceti and Zeta Reticuli 1 and 2. Sagan, Carl. "their purpose in disguising their secrets was to see that the secrets could survive.". The Sirius mystery, though, remains of great interest to many researchers today. The star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. When Walter van Beek studied the Dogon, he In a response published in Fate magazine, he denied intending that: "I refer, entirely in passing, to the Greek word for siren and its similarity to the word for Sirius, drawing absolutely He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. ), many debunked issues keep rising from the dead like vampires springing from their tombs. 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