Forbes magazine's extraordinarily arrogant contributor Tim Worstall Jeremy Corbyn. Even did something positive. You might have heard of a Romano-British chap called Patrick, got enslaved and nabbed to Ireland? The vast majority of Americans are not guilty. "So when black history was missing - the history of empire, the history of slavery - was missing from my history lessons, I didn't have a place to go to discover those missing chapters. Reckon they found commenters guessing which parts of a hypothetical argument were meant all part of the fun, In many respects youre one of the posters here whose views on morality Im closest to our personal moralities probably being quite far apart, but I recognise mine as very much the product of my upbringing and surrounding society and know enough about other places and times to realise just how contingent that makes them. His exposure to Nigerian culture seems quite limited. You may concede a point here, a point there. it was cheaper, at times, to starve people and then replace them Olusogas ancestors will have participated in the capture of sale of slaves in Nigeria. Fair point. Tull played professional football for Northampton but instead of signing up for Glasgow Rangers, he enlisted. Mans a loon. Olusoga has benefited from and added significantly to the work of Fryer and other historians such as James Walvin. We do not know for sure. David Olusoga is a 49-year-old historian and presenter Credit: Getty - Contributor David Olusoga is a British Nigerian historian, broadcaster and writer. Full text must be online somewhere but theres an extract at https://www.history.co.uk/shows/the-real-vikings/articles/eyewitness-to-the-vikings. It seems absurd to me that anyone should be concerned about what happened 200 or 500 years ago. Prof Olusoga is not the only person who has been drawn to Equiano's story. The good news is that Black Lives Matter may be that trigger. Not a big fan of the odd human sacrifice Im afraid, even though I might just be of very partial Scandinavian descent myself. Well one economist has worked out the amount to be paid (although not on a damages basis, when one imagines blacks might end up paying whites, but on a close the wealth gap basis): A renowned economist has said that $12 trillion should be afforded to black Americans in reparation for slavery to help the close wealth gap. Video1894 shipwreck confirms tale of treacherous lifeboat, How 10% of Nigerian registered voters delivered victory, Sake brewers toast big rise in global sales, The Indian-American CEO who wants to be US president, Blackpink lead top stars back on the road in Asia, Exploring the rigging claims in Nigeria's elections, 'Wales is in England' gaffe sparks TikToker's trip. Just as how in the 16th century the anti-slavery voices in Europe were overwhelmed, and in the 19th century the abolitionists won out. Id agree that attitudes in the UK are approaching that situation, but theres still a long, long way to go yet. Anglo-Saxons had slaves. 2023 BBC. One of his teachers had a coffee mug bearing a National Front slogan and another attacked him during a school trip, he said. That may have caused more violence. Re putting the argument for paedophilia they actually gave Gide the Nobel prize for literature didnt they? In 1861, the Economist stated that nearly four million people in Britain depended directly and indirectly on the cotton industry; a fifth of the entire population. The answer is money. Read about our approach to external linking. Get back to me in seven years, when youre ready to order. Id say this to Mr Olusoga. Would probably have taken your suggestion as a challenge. To be honest, I was a bit sceptical about the Olympics coming to London, but the atmosphere across the capital was genuinely wonderful . Now Im trying to imagine just what the strongest case for reparations might be, but even in this thought experiment its hard to see what the eligibility criteria for receiving payment should be, what sum should be due, how much proof is required of eligibility not everyone will have a good set of family records etc. Olusoga brilliantly reveals such contradictions in British society. It began to alter (slightly) the history curriculum at university level: the first undergraduate one-year course on black British history and culture was taught at the University of Warwick in 1984. It isnt going to happen anyway. You can pay all the reparation for historical slavery related wrongs, real or imaginary, you want. Not sure how sick this makes me. So there were times when food was expensive, we can call those shortages or famines. So my advice would be, for his own health, STFU. Reasonable estimates have some 50% of the inhabitants of the Sokoto Caliphate as late as the late 19th cent being slaves. Well the universe has a law of gravity but it doesnt have a law of should there be reparations. In the end, wholl be proven right about the matter practically, in terms of what the outcome is and what the first drafts of history say? And tolerance is not a given. If we went down this route thered be goodness knows how much fun and games to be had with legal claims over the treatment of Irish by Cromwell, the clearing of the Highlands and so on, before you even get on to the globe-spanning imperial stuff. There is an alternative argument that it is their ancestors who were wronged hence deserve compensation and as descendants theyre entitled to an inherited share (so their portion depends on how many slaves at what position in the family tree) plus interest, regardless of how well theyre doing now. For some peculiar reason possibly because theres a section of Western society has become very insecure about its own position its being some credence. In the USA? They all get it from White people inciting violence. Kyle Rittenhouse, unlike the rest of their sorry asses, did something. Then a young teenager, he was driven out of his council home, together with his grandmother, mother, two sisters and younger brother, by a sustained campaign of nightly stoning of their windows. The Sokoto Caliphate probably had as many slaves and a lot fewer free men as the Old South. Instead the racket still goes on with endless boatloads of illegals swarming into Europe. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. But it is also likely that disease played a role. The rest apart from Ireland (17, partly due to influence of aforementioned Patrick) set it younger. The reason why Equiano is not a national name is because slavery is not a part of the history that we teach when it should be because I don't think you can understand the 18th century in particular but also the 19th century without reference to slavery.". Hey, we do not even have to go that far. Its extraordinary success rested upon the foundation of sympathy laid down during the previous 70 years of abolitionist activity in Britain. Yet theyre so many centuries and generations removed from the crime, everybody involved with the decision-making is long-dead and while the responsible state still exists, in practice compensation comes from taxes paid by citizens who had no part in it all. Not many remember anything about segregation either. The Barbados slave code of 1661 stripped Africans of all human rights, and set out ways in which they were to be punished, to exert control over their labour (mutilation of the face, slitting of nostrils, castration, execution). It costs money to replace them and after a famine the price of slaves would rise. "They were barely known even to historians. Instead he has become a campaigner working to discredit Britain, the country that has educated him, promoted him and brought him fame and acceptance. BBC Radio 3 - Drama on 3, The Meaning of Zong, Spacious open-plan family home in Muswell Hill, Five Cineworlds across south London still at risk of permanent closure, Residents who have 'suffered for years' to be asked if they want blocks knocked down, Dazzling Thamesmead light festival returns with performances, films and flash mob, Charlton murderer claims prison guards broke his arm and sues for 20k, Children and young people with eating disorders face treatment postcode lottery, Angry protests erupt over Greek rail disaster, How fake copyright complaints are muzzling journalists, 1894 shipwreck confirms tale of treacherous lifeboat. Maybe someone should advise him to button his lip before he stirs up something he may not like. I can then give him the details of other descendants, he can apologise to and compensate. Roman writers such as Pliny who chronicled or rather fabricated African life shaped perceptions of a continent populated by anthropophagi and other fantastic creatures, half-human, half-animal. Olusoga patterns his narrative after Fryers, starting with the North African presence in Roman Britain. So he calls himself a Geordie. As for the future, the University of Manchester professor says younger generations give him hope. In America few were castrated, which is why there are now >40 million descendants there. This seems rather unlikely. The Russians do not have these problems because they are not ashamed. As it happens, I dont believe in sins of the fathers passing down the generations. And he might not find the society withdraws it nearly as comfortable for him to live in. Thats why when the question is raised, I always point out that they owe me lots and lots of money. Over 1000 years in Britain. Rapidly promoted to sergeant, then second lieutenant, he led white British troops into action and died in 1918, having been mentioned in despatches and recommended for the Military Cross. Nineteen eighty-four affected him in another way: the publication of Peter Fryers groundbreaking Staying Power: The History of Black People in Britain introduced him to the scholarship needed to understand his position in Britain. Giles Terera, the Olivier award-winning British performer who starred in the popular theatre production Hamilton, has . And yet Africans and West Indians were banned from the victory parade in 1919. That was at the least unusual, particularly from a West European perspective bearing in mind the practice of slavery had pretty much fizzled out there. He previously worked at JP Morgan for 18 years in a number of senior roles and was . He writes to inflame white guilt, so that you will ACCEPT destruction of your culture. Its a replay of the ecology nutters & the trannies. I could just as well feel something else entirely, and Im sceptical of all approaches to impose a supposedly universal, timeless or even just coherent, thats a challenge in itself ethical system. "They do not want British history to be a catalogue of heroes and victories and glorious chapters," he says. And the fact youre moved to tears by discovering for the first time a great-great-great-grandmother of yours was a prostitute single-mum with seven kids or a great-x5-uncle you had never heard of was imprisoned for murder, well, your utter lack of knowledge simply reveals how little youve been influenced by them, so youre hardly discovering a new facet of yourself at all. Deliberately shipping that many people that far in order to participate in a newly-created society whose economic system was designed, pretty much from the ground up, around slave labour? But those were in those long-lost days when democrats and republicans could talk to each other and agree to disagree while both leaving the conversation a little the wiser. Certainly they killed them casually often for religious reasons. David Olusoga's Family David Olusoga, age 49 was born to a Nigerian father and a British mother. Prof Olusoga says statues, such as those of slave traders . people like Olusoga would have to pay their share of the greatly increased taxes And they will go looking for parts of the past that aren't on the curriculum, and they evidently do. Wider imperialism reparations that include South Asia, China for the Opium Wars and so on, surely even more prohibitively costly, regardless of how effective the education system gets at making young Brits feel a vague sense of guilt about it all. It built slave forts on the African coast, some such as Bunce Island in Sierra Leone furnished with a rape house. And yes, grand scheme of things, forced choice between living in a central Asian city about to be captured by ticked-off Mongols and an African tribal group about to be captured by profit-hungry slavers then fine, I take the latter hands down. The publication in 1852 of Uncle Toms Cabin, by the American abolitionist Harriet Beecher Stowe, swelled national sympathy for the plight of black slaves. So wherever the wealth came from, it wasnt just slavery (or even mainly), Olusogas an alright presenter but a class A race hustler, Edward Lud August 30, 2020 at 9:12 am We could just cut to the chase, and impose a reparations tax on anyone who is descended from from anyone who did something, er, wrong.. Inflaming the reader has no purpose relative to slavery. I brought up paedophilia to demonstrate that there are things not worth my time. If their ancestors had remained in Africa would they be better off than they are now? is that the extra demand distorted the market, led directly to more armed slave-raiding expeditions against rival tribes and so on.. What do you think their stongest argument is? Sugar plantations were bad. If the alternative was that they were killed? The novel became the bestselling book of 19th-century Britain; it was adapted for the theatre and generated mass-produced merchandise playing cards, jigsaws, tableware. BurningEars August 30, 2020 at 3:07 pm Theres a flaw in arguments of the form frankly you should be glad I murdered your sister. But Muslims were enslaving white Europeans into Africa long before the Atlantic route, usually castrating the males. "I don't know why this generation has a different relationship with the past, goes to the past, expecting and looking for different things to earlier generations, but that's really is my observation about them," he says adding the internet has played a huge part. Moreover its arguably unjust that only victims of still-extant states have a route to compensation whereas people from ethnic groups roughly contemporaneously massacred, enslaved and sacrificed by the Aztec Empire have nobody to sue. I am of Ulster Scot heritage, who were originally John Knoxs Cumberland Presbyterians, VERY MUCH against slavery. The UK, Norway, Benelux, Spain, Malta and Switzerland are, I believe, the only western European countries to set it at 16. One in which enslaved people suffered and even died from malnutrition, as the economics of the slave trade meant that it was cheaper, at times, to starve people and then replace them than it was to provide them with food. He adds: "The reason Equiano's story, Equiano's voice, is not as well known as it should be, is because we have a long habit in this country of not wanting to talk about slavery. I assume he is not very bright and Race Hustling is very lucrative. It doesnt end with the parties saying Well that was pleasantly intellectually stimulating, now lets have a nice game of cricket Youre opponents are not playing by the same rules as you are. The strongest case I can see against reparations is not fundamentally a legal one but perhaps one degree abstracted the law if we can litigate that, we can litigate a heck of a lot of stuff from centuries past, tie our legal systems up in knots with no obvious limits in sight. The economics of the slave trade may have meant that it was cheaper to work someone to death rather than allowing him a comfortable old age. But those were in those long-lost days when democrats and republicans could talk to each other and agree to disagree while both leaving the conversation a little the wiser.. White communities suffer huge losses from Black crime. Why are these characterizations needed? Support 100 years of independent journalism. In 1796, a bill was defeated by only four votes: a group of abolitionist MPs went to the opera and missed the vote. Would, say, Huguenot-descended South Africans suing France over the 1572 St. Bartholomews Day massacre, or Cornish people suing HMG for the suppression of the 1497 Rebellion, deserve compensation?. I cant see this one surviving people being expected to dig into their pockets for a few trillion. How does importing new labour from West Africa solve the food shortage in the West Indies? There is plenty of slavery about we just do not call it that. Writing in english is cultural appropriation so STFU. Ironically, one of the sources we can turn to in order to learn more is his own accounts of late 17th-century Jamaica. But that ignores how the demand of outsiders led inevitably to far more supply being provided, so I dont think the traders can be given a pass on this front either. If we look back history is just an unending series of atrocities. My great, great, grandfather was one. Its been banned for two centuries in Britain. Britain's role in the transatlantic slave trade is part of the national curriculum, although it is not statutory. Very little sugar on the mainland. If you want to pay more tax, just write a cheque to HMRC and send it off. Thankfully the Woke have gifted us an all purpos3e response to this sort of crap. A fifty quid note in the hand of the first black bloke you encounter. When the American Civil War interrupted the supply of cotton, hundreds of thousands of British workers were made destitute, dependent on soup kitchens, and the British economy was dealt a thunderous blow, all because an ocean away the forced labour of four million enslaved black Americans had been disrupted. Guess wed have to print it. I imagine few do. The New Statesmans global affairs newsletter, every Monday and Friday. When I met her, ~1995, I started asking her questions about the war, as I thought she was a fabulous resource of information. Long after slavery ended in the British colonies, British people continued to lobby the American government to free their slaves. (and white people was pretty much the British). Blacks like Mr Olusoga despite endlessly banging on about it seem to overlook the fact that they are in a minority. Even Bill Clinton had affinity for the USA. This is because forgetting slavery means forgetting its victims. Married an American GI after the war. As Black British History Month draws to a close, TV historian Prof David Olusoga looks at the impact it's had - and how young people are taking it on. He talks about slavery because YOU care. . Had a vault for the more inflammatory pieces. Presumably there were normal times when food was cheap that you fed your workers and didnt seek to replace them in the way Olusoga means. The best and brightest minds in the UK defended Stalins slavery. Olusoga is just getting even because he was attacked by the right when he was a teenager. That someone did something 200 years ago means double ought nothing.. The agreement is being touted as a . One of the reasons why the American and Caribbean experiences were very different. No? We aint paying no goddam reparations & no-ones gonna make us. In 1860, cotton goods accounted for 40 per cent of all British exports. They have a game plan & youre falling for it. Prof Olusoga says statues, such as those of slave traders . @ Boganboy But that is not the argument I am making. Black history: Should it be part of the wider curriculum? Particularly as nowadays anyone who dares even look at someone a few days below the age of consent is believed to be an incorrigible nonce who deserves hanging, castration, or castration by hanging. Within the EU the two most common ages of consent are 14 and 15 (if Ive done my counting correctly), though in some but not all cases thats with additional restrictions on permissible age gaps. Yet American slave-produced raw cotton continued to feed the 4,500 mills of Lancashire. Women, denied a meaningful role in politics, formed their own organisations, writing tracts, pamphlets and poems, gathering signatures for petitions and fundraising: At certain times and in certain places they were the engine room of the movement.. And even if you personally disagree with it, what would be the strongest argument for some form of legal settlement? ), Who is fundamentally right about reparations for slavery? They arent going to concede anything. And yet anti-black race riots broke out in 1948 in Liverpool and in 1958 in Nottingham and Londons Notting Hill. It's possibly a deeper change than some people realise because I don't think what we're living through is a series of political events; I think we're living through a generational shift," he says. If you had spare cash or could borrow, investment in slavery was a sure winner, never mind slave rebellions or hurricanes that destroyed cane fields. Sure. Societies have what morals suit them. My great grandfather fought to end slavery in a war. In the system that made Sloane wealthy, black women sought out herbs, plant species that he carefully identified and categorised, and used them to induce abortions, determined as many were not to bring into the world children who would be born items of property and destined to live short, brutalised lives. He presented the recent series of A House Through Time on BBC 2, and Black and British: A Forgotten History. He updates Fryer, citing radioisotope analysis of skeletons and craniometrics, which support written documentation of Aurelian Moors guarding Hadrians Wall and settling in places such as Yorkshire. Although I would expect the Germans, and perhaps even the Japanese, to be happy they lost the war. I have done nothing. His autobiography, The Interesting Narrative of the Life of Olaudah Equiano, details how he was sold into slavery aged 11, his experience of travelling the world as slave to a Royal Navy officer - who renamed him Gustavus Vassa - and how he bought his freedom from his final master, an English merchant in Montserrat. Giles Terera, the Olivier award-winning British performer who starred in the popular theatre production Hamilton, has recently staged a play called the Meaning of Zong about the massacre of 132 enslaved Africans aboard the slave ship Zong in 1781 and the impact it had on Equiano. It can be withdrawn. In the late 1800's and early 1900's, 30,000 Jewish migrants from Russia and Eastern Europe settled in Manchester. Thats what I dont like about the angle of Tims header. Like the Nigerian slavers who enslaved and sold the slaves, you mean? I am happy with Olusogo paying reparations to himself. Anyway, I digress, we did have at some point, a gang of pedos turn up and put their case, reasonably, and were tolerated and conversed with. Some other buyer would have taken them if they werent shipped out, and Western (or Arab) traders were just changing the ownership and location, the sins of the slave-raiders being theirs alone to bear. June 16, 2020 - 20:29 BST Aisha Nozari. Olusogas stated purpose is to argue that black British history is not about migration and settlement, whether of black servants in the 18th century or black workers in the Windrush era. Perhaps Im a bit more culturally relativist these days, but just read it again, still absolutely awful. And, of course, being half white, he is only entitled to half the reparation payment. I think it's an astonishing achievement.". If you think 14 is the wrong decision for the boundary, a better argument is a rebuttal of the strongest case for 14 rather than a rebuttal of a straw-man version of it. Then the second. White people are unique in ending slavery across the world*. P rofessor David Olusoga is reviewing a disorientating year from a familiar place: his white-painted study, the one with the guitars hanging from its walls. Maybe Europeans did increase demand. Whether they are too stupid to think of that remains to be seen. Jamaicans and Nigerians used to hate each other. Over 150 years in America. My first reaction, years and years ago, was thats awful. Not good. Id say theres enormous dangers in treating this as if it was some public school debating society gig. Rather that certain western states, still in existence therefore potentially still liable, regulated and indeed encouraged the development of both the transatlantic slave trade and the slave-labour economic systems of the colonies, at scales that were unusual in the long and varied history of slavery, and levels of brutality that stood out too. In 1986 I came across the book Staying Power by the British journalist Peter Fryer. That hes able to write this article is because hes living in what is, by historical standards, a remarkably tolerant society. The enslaved Africans had to wait another five years for their freedom and were not given a penny. Both groups today, especially the former, could reasonably claim historic persecution has reduced their present income and wealth. * the legal institution and pretty much the practice The strongest argument I can see for reparations is not that white people bear some kind of ancestral blame. "The small minority whose history had been airbrushed out of the national story recovered that history with the help of their allies and then broadcast it, spread it into our national conversation and they did that within the space of half a century. He presents a one sided and biased picture of slavery which takes no account of the African participation in it. You dont have esoteric discussions with paedophiles any more than you would with serial killers. 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