Not lies. But a question and answer session with Hayes and his wife held by the church on Oct. 24 offers some glimpses into the opposition that built against the prospective new senior pastor and the apparent rift between church leadership and some in the congregation. #JemelRoberson https://t.co/Y1dMXQY33N, But the Group of Concerned FBNC Members, citing the tweet, said Hayes should be questioned about his relationship with first responders, specifically police, "and his thoughts on such topics as Ferguson, police shootings involving people of color, etc. First Naples || Livestream - Streaming live from Naples, FL. The Marcus Hayes vote was used to cry wolf. Naples Christmas Celebration. Hundreds of members have left the church. I am responding simply to share that theres another side the story and I wish I/we had an opportunity to share such a story without fear of legal action (thats right, the church has threatened legal action against me as well as threatened that if I say anything at all negative about the church they will trespass me prevent me from dropping off and picking up my kids at First Baptist Academy. We are so glad you've chosen to join us. Allegedly he said he was happy to see some people in SBC membership moved to the bottom as others move to the top. These were ALL issues that these so-called dissenters were trying to have addressed PRIOR to the arrival of Marcus. When that man runs out of money before completion what is everyone going to say? Christian Rocker Posts Stunning Response to Recent Apostasy of Christian Leaders, Chicago Radio Host & a Former Bodyguard Say James MacDonald Asked Them to Arrange Murders, James MacDonald Took Millions from Harvest & Now Demands Broadcast Ministry, Mancow Airs Shocking Comments By James MacDonald: My Response. If you promote that, take a LONG look in the mirror. Hayes Wicker was the pastor of First Baptist Church of Naples (Florida) for 27 years. (Auxanos founder, Will Mancini, also serves as director of consulting for Lifeway, the publishing division of the SBC.). FBA is a discipleship school dedicated to preparing the next generation to serve in God's Kingdom. Only love. Well Hello!!! The biggest reason most did not vote yes, had to do with the fact that people didnt think it was fair to ask Marcus to uproot his family and relocate to a church that was in COMPLETE turmoil and had a leadership that was REFUSING to acknowledge it. It also appears that the SBC concluded too soon who was in the right. Takeaway: The problems here illustrate how important biblical models of church governance and judicial process are. . If this were a Calvary Chapel organization, or any other offshoot of Chuck Smiths piracy, no one would be surprised. Those involved either need to find a way to recover from this, not just cover it up, or decide to step aside for the greater good. You would call Martin Luther King an Uncle Tom Im sure. ", Although church leaders don't believe that all who voted"no" did so based on race, Dorrill said,"it is undeniable that race played a part in the final days leading up to this election.". I am sickened by the way he was treated and am grateful for this exposure. And second, Mr. Hayes did nothing to convince me that he would embrace me as a disgraced member of the church. ", Church officials, however, have been largely mum on the details of the alleged campaign and racism. He hopes @DooWopCokeFan Please try to understand something: NOT ALL BLACK PEOPLE THINK ALIKE. Go. On social media, too, some church members said race played no role in the failed vote. Yet Wicker said that without his approval or prior knowledge, a statement read by Boone was inserted at the beginning of the video, saying that Wicker had confessed to misuses of power and actions unbecoming of a Senior Pastor. This statement was also emailed to church members on May 23. As a side note, is the implication that if a white* person disagrees with a person of colour on the legitimacy of Woke political philosophy/identity-building/self-definition in the church, that person must necessarily be a racist? close to Wicker, contacted Pulpit & Pen with disturbing details Church leaders at First Baptist Church Naples have blasted a faction of their congregation, alleging "racial prejudices" contributed to a failed vote late last month to name a black man. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. Raising concerns over a pastoral candidates seeming endorsement of the book Woke Church doesnt make someone a racist. Notice carefully: Our task as ambassadors is to bring good news to people. The refusal to release specific documents to any donating member, also a violation of not only the by-laws (which was the same verbiage as the state law) but also the state of Florida Not-for-profit Compliance Act and the IRS which governs their 501(c)(3) status. As a seasonal member of FBCN during the events you cover here I can share how troubling this is. church as large as FBC Naples. I think there were people in the church who were afraid of having a black pastor, especially one who does not subscribe to the ridiculous and ungodly notion of colorblindness and one who holds the racial views that Hayes does. I had the privilege of knowing this young man! Great! But more importantly, Ericksen said, members feel their voice isn't being heard by church leaders. One screenshot of a tweet included in the email centers around the fatal shooting of a black security guard by a white police officer in suburban Chicago last year. The church by-laws allow for the expulsion of members without consulting the entire church body. . Two weeks later, Garippa started another church called The Naples Gathering. And on December 31, Wicker said the health insurance provided by the church was cut off for him and his wife, who has a serious heart condition. They have been in my heart and prayers since this happened. This sort of trashing of fine people is becoming commonplace is an SBC I was once very happy to be a part of. Takeaway: The treatment of the retiring pastor at FBC Naples is eerily similar to the treatment of the retiring pastor at McLean Bible Church. I can tell you not a single thing mentioned above played a role in my vote. hating even the garment polluted by the flesh (Jude 23). And they said, Surely, you will not die. Interesting. First Baptist Church Naples. We are grateful to the Lord for His continued blessing upon the school ministry of First Baptist Church Naples. Hayes, a member of the North Carolina executive committee of the Southern Baptist Convention,garnered endorsements from other church leaders, including the president of the Southern Baptist Convention. Hi. *Please note that the preceding is my personal opinion. Wicker called the allegations appalling., We reached out to Boone, specifically asking about the allegations mentioned in the video, but he did not respond. I have no hate here. 3000 Orange Blossom Drive, Naples, FL 34109, U.S. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. Let us pray for you. Despite this track record, Wicker said he was shut out of the new pastor selection process. A representative from the Collier County Sheriffs Office also confirmed that FBC Naples contacted them on July 3 regarding a suspicious incident., Wickers daughter, Allyson Stephens, said that on September 13, two detectives visited her home and questioned her about the Voices of FBCN email. First, I didnt think it was fair to put a new pastor in the midst of such corruption and confusion. At the same time, some members were concerned about some of his social media posts that might indicate support for a pro-abortion, pro-LGBTQ Democrat presidential candidate, his endorsement of the problematic book Woke Church, his blocking some FBCN members on his social media platforms, and other theological, political, and administrative issues. "We all realize that the year of 2019 has been very difficult in the life of our church," Dorrill said. More than 450 emails in support of Hayes were received by the church in the past four days, Dorrill said during the Nov. 2 service. Jemel Roberson was in my student ministry while I was a youth pastor in Chicago. In the tweet, the attorney, Lee Merritt, wrote in part that investigators claim "all the shooter saw was black" and said that was "exactly the problem.". I just want to point out that when you say things like I am in a biracial marriage, it sounds a LOT like I have a black friend. Trust me, that gets you little more than eye-rolling. Why did the church leadership behave in such an aggressive and dismissive manner? In November, Caudill sent a letter to several prominent SBC leaders, including President Greear and SEBTS President Danny Akin, urging them to retract their statements supporting the racism narrative offered by FBC Naples. It was all being done vindictively and not in a righteous, godly manner., Concerned families gravitated to the Caudills, who had served in SBC churches for over 50 years. Regardless of who is at fault for what, this is NOT what Church should be. "And, as a result of that, there have been groups who honestly feel a little disenfranchised. The message at FBCN is clear: get along or get out. Instead, Wicker was quickly forced out. However, at some point the church leadership became hostile to the longtime pastor, according to church members. I am Caucasian from Eastern Europe. is a pastoral search committee? In his quote-tweet, Hayes said Roberson was in his student ministry while he was a youth pastor in Chicago. (Hayes this month took his first senior pastor position at a church in Texas.). @Bernie Lutchman you are so correct. Instead he was charged with this amorphous set of wrongdoings that were later largely or totally shown to be untrue. Namely Hayes Wicker. The whole clergy-laity distinction, senior pastor, associate pastor, the professional, or called into the ministry Christians is not found ANYWHERE in the New Testament.NO WHERE! Hotels. Isnt that how we should judge any one persons claims, by how it squares with Scripture on a case-by-case basis? 11,847 were here. Grateful that FBCN is moving toward amputating the racists, tweeted Rev. I lived it. Church leaders at First Baptist Church Naples have blasted a faction of their congregation, alleging "racial prejudices" contributed to a failed vote late last month to name a black man the church's new senior pastor. Also, the concept of colorblindness is nice in theory but is biologically impossible (unless you are colorblind). We are ambassadorswith a message of good news for people who walk in a land of darkness and dwell in the land of the shadow of death (Isaiah 9:2). In it, the group details questions it has about Hayes' qualifications, his tweets and beliefs. First Baptist Naples is, ethnically, a predominantly white church but we are not a racist church.. If I had known that, there would have been no resignation whatsoever.. Editors note: This story has been updated to reflect accurate information regarding the participants at a meeting of FBC Naples leaders on April 23. This ban prevented him from seeing his granddaughter perform in a play being put on at the churchs school, First Baptist Academy. They arrived in Naples and gathered other Baptist families to meet with them in a small outbuilding behind the local grocery store, meeting for their first worship . Our Pastoral Search Committee, lay leadership, and the Pastoral Staff all anticipated that our vote would be nothing less than an affirmative statement from our people that God had sovereignly chosen for Marcus Hayes to be our next Pastor. @Michelle I believe you make valid points. For the church's leadership, "it exposed a sickness in what we characterize as a cancer within our fellowship," he continued in the letter, which also asked for forgiveness from Hayes and his wife and "any other person who has been offended, hurt, or damaged by the outcome" of the vote. Does my agreement with Dr. King and my deep concerns about intersectionality, et al, make me a racist? The churchs Also concerning to the group was the fact that Marcus Hayes didnt respond to a letter Concerned Members of FBCN had sent him a week earlier, outlining their issues at the church. All of the events need to be understood in the context of the overriding event and the church governance that permitted this to happen. In addition, those who have been excommunicated, as well as former Pastor Hayes Wicker, say they feel like their reputations have been sullied. He didnt rob a liquor store, assault some young person in his office, or do anything wrong that could be cited. Pastor John David Edie, who wrote the open letter to the SBC on behalf of leaders at FBC Naples, alleging racism, resigned in early December. The shooting drew national headlines, outrage and questions about whether race factored into the officers decision to open fire. Wicker, a former President of the Florida Baptist Convention and the SBC Pastors Conference, was such a high-profile leader and fundraiser for Baptist causes that his retirement was covered by Baptist Press, which reported the following on February 4th: In mid-January, Wicker, 68, I know that can seem like a simple concept, but it seems to be forgotten when the well a black person disagrees with it! argument is used. Well-sourced. Sadly, too many people are more committed to idols than to truth and righteousness. The following Tuesday, April 23, Wicker met with FBC Naples leaders including Dorrill, Chairman of the Personnel Committee Troy Boone, Chairman of the Finance Committee Don Collier, and Chairman of Deacons Terry Cole. Masters of Divinity in Christian Apologetics, New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary The turmoil at FBC Naples began about a year ago, when longtime Senior Pastor Hayes Wicker announced to the church that he was stepping down to make way for younger fresher leadership.. DWCF. Similarly, an article in The Grio asked, Did a Florida church not hire a pastor because he was Black? And Christianity Today stated, Black Pastor Candidate Withdraws After Controversial Vote at SBC Megachurch.. The church staff alleged that racism was behind the rejection. Photos See More Hours Mon: 8am - 5pm Tue: 8am - 5pm Wed: 8am - 5pm Thu: 8am - 5pm Fri: 8am - 5pm Per the church's constitution and bylaws, a senior pastor must be affirmed by a margin of at least 85% of the vote, but Hayes only garnered 81%of the vote, with 1,552 "yes" votes compared to 365 "no" votes. More Emails: FBC Naples Concerned Party Defends Itself Against Accusations of Racism, VIDEO: A look at the problems at FBC Naples, FBC Naples Insider Speaks Out About Alleged Racism and Unbiblical Excommunications at FBC Naples, Leaked Emails Show That FBC Naples Members Had Serious Concerns About Marcus Hayes Biblical Qualifications. At least four emails were "broadly sent," he wrote, with others privately sent. The 26-year-old guard, Jemel Roberson, was detaining a suspected gunman who opened fire at the bar where Roberson worked when the police officer fatally shot Roberson. Former deacon, Blake Crawford, said Wicker was later exonerated of the charges in the anonymous letter by church accounting firm, Phillips Harvey Group. So we are ambassador-soldiers, reaching out to sinners with the truth even as we make every effort to destroy the lies and other forms of evil that hold them in deadly bondage. Shopping. A racist, leftist marxist movement and which claims blacks were muzzled for 150 years now its whites turn to be face the same treatment. Our warfare is not against flesh and blood (Ephesians 6:12); and our duty as ambassadors does not permit us to compromise or align ourselves with any kind of human philosophies, religious deceit, or any other kind of falsehood (Colossians 2:8). Jonathan Head November 26, 2011. Dorrill near the end of a Nov. 2 service told the congregation that "the integrity of our election last weekend was compromised. Concerned Members of FBCN says the petition received 800 signatures. I guess thats why this slanderous information is labeled as commentary. It noted that Hayes had unfriended or blocked several people who had signed the petition on his social media accounts. Enough racists voted against the pastor. Sandra received her Bachelor's degree in Elementary Education from our local college, Florida Gulfcoast University in 2001. action has been taken to enact church discipline on the dissenters because of Am I not allowed as a deacon and 15+ year member of the church to ask questions about leaders who in my opinion have lied and deceived the church for political gain? Church discipline for dissenting members was greeted with wild applause. "First Baptist Church Naples is doing excellent work through disaster relief," said Wayne Briant, southwest regional catalyst for the Florida Baptist Convention. Now it certainly will as the debt load is unsustainable. Just fill out this form and let us know your needs. The church decided to use the racism card instead ACTUALLY deal with the real issues going on. Freelance journalist Josh Shepherd writes on faith, culture, and public policy for several media outlets. Good Ole Fascist techniques of taking away 1A rights are even occurring within the church. If those sound like difficult assignments to keep in balance and maintain in proper perspective, it is because they are. In 2001, Dorrill pled guilty to racketeering conspiracy charges in connection with the Stadium Naples corruption scandal. Read the letter from the church to the Southern Baptist Convention, question and answer session with Hayes and his wife, Read the letter from First Baptist to church members regarding voting results, fatal shooting of a black security guard by a white police officer, Police release name of cop who killed black security guard who was corralling a gunman, Your California Privacy Rights/Privacy Policy. On Easter weekend, Wicker said he received a text message that several chairmen wanted to meet with him about church unrest. Wicker said he tried to ignore it. I am saying that, as I have countless experiences of colorblind people saying or doing insensitive, offensive things because they forgot Im black. ( I wonder what the Aramaic is for fad.). First Baptist Church - Naples 3000 Orange Blossom Dr Naples FL 34109 (239) 597-6057 Claim this business (239) 597-6057 Website More Directions Advertisement We are so thankful for the godly staff who serve the Lord and lead our FBCNaples family! Location Berean Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church located in the beautiful community of Naples, Florida, just south of Ft. Myers. "It seems all cops ever see is black," the attorney continued. Akins son, Jonathan Akin, is currently serving as interim pastor at FBC Naples. "We know this because of the campaign that started just days before by a few disgruntled people in our church.". Considering slave owners slept with slaves (even in my own ancestry), whites befriended their black help all while denying their equal rights it is possible to have friends and even spouses of other races and still have issues with bias and prejudice. On the surface, Marcus Hayes is a highly recommended pastor who is seemingly qualified for the role. But while we cannot know the heart of another, this doesnt sound like a case of hearts poisoned intolerance, of minds clouded by prejudice. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. FBCNaples | Naples FL SBC Elites cite distinguished lawyer and Southern Baptist Matthew Martens; however, Martens has written persuasively, Supporters of a constitutional amendment to ban women pastors in the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC), New intel points to Covid origin in a lab leak, remember when this was a, NAMB PR VP Mike Ebert emerges as key witness in McRaney v. NAMB What will, Briefing: What You Need to Know About the First Baptist Naples Crisis, Neo-Marxist Southern Baptists turn Stalinist after election defeat, Who Can Preach? Until this happens FBCN will be a former great ministry. Im inclined to believe it wasnt racially motivated. Many church members are staying silent because they fear their children will be kicked out of the Christian school run by the church. This remains an elephant in the room at every worship service at that church. The controversy, which quickly spread in religious circles online, has suddenly thrust the North Naples church into an unwelcome spotlight, much to the dismay of some members. More about this ministry: Welcome to First Naples! What would Jesus make of Wokeness intersectionality, and indeed, the movement for resegregation by some of those who are of the Prominent Woke, in light of Galatians 3:28? The process did not adhere to or reflect any biblical model. So for now we will go to Tampa & enjoy Church there, as no wish to be seen to support incompetence. A movement, to direct and shape the policies and testimony of the church is quite a thing. And thats shepherding many hundreds of people over many years., In its open letter to the SBC, FBC Naples lay leaders and staff wrote that they know racial prejudice contributed to Marcus Hayess failed vote because of the campaign that started just days before by a few disgruntled people in our church., Presumably, the campaign to which the letter is referring is an email that was sent from the Concerned Members to those who had signed the petition shortly before the Hayes vote, requesting a special business meeting. Love for Jesus, for my fellow brother/sister and love for the truth. Garippa, who was never part of Concerned Members of FBCN, declined to comment on why he left FBC Naples. But we are not merely ambassadors. We also contacted Marcus Hayes and Biltmore Church about the alleged emails but they declined to comment. Sources close to the church administration have said they fear raising any issues that might bring adverse consequences to them, their children, or their grandchildren. We met his wife and daughters. No One Knows. Give Online. Jesus said that He wants us to all be in unity and that He is building a church. Food. What have we done, indeed? Find a local church Explore; Giving; App; Sign In; Find a Church; Florida; Naples, FL Bunch of old white guys with too much time on their hands and too many books in their personal theology libraries. According to the inside source, soon after his employment at FBC Naples ended, Wicker was banned from the church campus. Hi, Carla. The church did not hold a reception to honor Wickers decades of ministry, nor was Wicker permitted to address the congregation. Wicker also was pastor for 20 years to evangelical author and founder of Prison Fellowship, Chuck Colson. Like when my colorblind friends didnt understand my discomfort when we chose to stop on a road trip in a small town with confederate flags waiving everywhere. "There are no terms to describe what has happened here other than sin. Why is that? Dorrill also serves on FBC Naples finance committee. Connect with the reporter at patrick.riley@naplesnews.com or on Twitter @PatJRiley. It stinks to me of Greed. Hayes, a black man married to a white woman, Mancini said its standard to recommend that an outgoing senior pastor not be involved in a pastoral succession process. This is nothing new. the group wrote. "They are reaching their community and showing the care and love that the community desperately needs." Photos courtesy of FBC Naples Hearts With Hands JUST STOP THE HATE. Click on the link below to see how you can use your gifts and talents for the Kingdom, from Naples to the nations! Church leadership responded in an email to members, calling the Voices of FBCNs email inaccurate and slanderous and claiming that a security breach of the churchs email list had occurred. He didnt have the experience. God used their faithfulness and devotion to create a mighty ministry through FBCN. (The church publishes an annual directory with member email addresses.). No, Again. It also shapes my needs, which tend to go forgotten or overlooked if you refuse to see I am a black woman. Some of these blacks are church leaders. Curious timing of raising those concerns. Opinion: What is Revivaland is it Happening at Asbury? The judge in the case withheld a conviction but gave Dorrill a $10,000 fine and three years probation. And in 2006, Wicker served as head of the SBC Pastors Conference. Similarly, SBC president J.D. Christians should model justice and love to the world. I voted no to Mr. Hayes for two reasons. Just like there are women who are pro-Gloria Steinem feminists, and there are women who are not fans of Gloria, black people are capable of holding differing opinions too. Sad state of affairs. But with all due respect, be careful commenting on things you dont understand or have first hand knowledge of. Now, everything I just said is my opinion. Would you believe that not a single member of the church has reached out to me in love and asked to hear my side of the events. It is a populist movement of tremendous influence and minimal accountability. Rather than bringing members who are accused of sin before the church body for examination, members are being removed from the church rolls through actions taken directly by deacons and pastoral staff without a vote of the church body. Marcus Hayes, an African-American who is on staff at Biltmore Church in the Asheville, North Carolina area, was the candidate. 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